Podcast: Not on top of rich list, yet Bill Gates is an optimist

The philanthropist tells The Atlantic’s editor-in-chief Jeffrey Goldberg in this podcast that his and Melinda’s goal of giving away their wealth is incompatible with being on a list of rich people

The mission of the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation to ease suffering around the world may be somewhat at odds with the "America First" sentiments that propelled Donald Trump into the presidency. But Bill Gates is moving ahead with enthusiasm. He tells Jeffrey Goldberg, The Atlantic's editor-in-chief, why he's still optimistic, and how he feels about no longer being the richest man in the world.

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